Discussion: Study: 23 Percent Of Trump Supporters Show Skepticism Of Democracy

That’s the point I was going to make. You can have a democracy with a strong leader.

Secondly, these people don’t like democracy because they’re losing the argument, especially on social issues. Or they see the country is changing demographically and they’re scared and so they engage in voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc. Without cheating, their cause is lost. And even with cheating, they will fail.

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Those are the same guys that were complaining about Obama’s “Imperial” administration.

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There are people who comment here who hate democracy, and express bitterness at candidates running against other candidates and voters voting for the candidates of their choice.

Update: Not surprising! From the study:

Perhaps more unexpectedly, 20 percent of Hillary Clinton’s primary voters support a “strong leader” unbound by Congress and elections and 15 percent go so far as to support “army rule” — both slightly higher than the levels expressed by the primary supporters of Bernie Sanders, John Kasich, Marco Rubio, or Ted Cruz. (Yet Clinton’s primary supporters were more likely to say that democracy is preferable to any other form of government.)

In short, Republicans.

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Of course they don’t want democracy because democracy has brought diversity and expanding rights and the loss of privilege to white men.

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My instant reaction exactly… :expressionless:

They want a White-Power Class Structure, perhaps not unlike Euro-Imperialism.

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Well, to be honest, most Democrats think “anyone who voted for Trump has nothing of value to say” either.

Which, of course is not exactly productive. I’m trying to change my attitude to “anyone who voted for Trump and would do it again is a racist bovine piece of filth I don’t want to be in the same room with” , but if they voted for Trump and regret it, we can talk.

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23% of Trump’s 33% are skeptical of Democracy? I’m honestly relieved the numbers are that low.

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Alas, the seeds of fascism have already been planted.

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Evangelical!

This article is a bit misleading I think. The key takeaway from this study, according to them, is this:

“While support for “army rule” has increased steadily over the past 20 years, we actually find support for a strong leader declining for the first time in 2017 and returning to levels last seen in 1995. At the same time, the partisan tilt on the “strong leader” question has changed. Prior to 2017, Democratic respondents were consistently more likely to support a “strong leader” (even in 2006, with a Republican in the White House). As of 2017, Republicans are now more likely.”

So basically, the popularity of “strong leader” plummeted like a rock for the first time in over 20 years.

That’s kind of a key takeaway.

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And when THEIR strong leader determines one day that his followers aren’t ‘subservient enough’ and he turns on them, will they scream DEMOCRACY?? That he’s violating their rights that they so willingly gave up??

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The desire for a strong ruler (big Daddy) is a built in psychological framework for a lot of people. Lots of good studies out there demonstrating the basic psychological differences between people who favor authoritarian style government over actual democracy. What seems to get lost is that we currently have neither. What we do have is a raging money fueled kleptocracy that theoretically nobody wants except for the people benefiting.

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If you want a real eye opener, ask these 23% to define the other forms of government.
If you say Socialism many will say they do not believe in Communism and on and on.

People who are afraid want to tell everyone else what to do.

Control. It’s about feeling control. Those same studies show that conservative brains want things in neat, tidy little categories and to stay put within their boundaries/boxes. When things break free and those categories/boundaries are violated (e.g., when things like demography begin to change/progress over time around them), THAT is what evokes deep discomfort and fear for them, because it collapses their carefully constructed illusion that they live in a neat and orderly environment over which they have control/power through familiarity. When THAT happens…confronted with change, newness, the need to adapt to altered circumstance…they overcompensate by seeking to put everything back in its appropriate boxes and any frustration of that process will only lead to attempts at a tighter and tighter stranglehold.

This 23% the survey talks about aren’t “skeptical” of democracy. THEY’RE FUCKING SICK OF IT. It represents nothing but a giant obstacle to everything being returned to the boxes in which they believe everything belongs (including people). The GOP and its base would and will happily resort to autocracy and fascism if they are the only way to achieve this overarching goal.

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Everyday it seems like I resemble my dad more and more in some respects. Spooky.

I like to tease my son that it’s in his future as well. :smile:

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With apologies to Groucho Marx, I wouldn’t want to live in any democracy that would let someone like me vote.

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Ageed. A much larger percentage— I believe it is 25%—believes that the sun revolves around the earth.

I would have thought the numbers of anti-democracy people would be higher among the Trumpsters. I bet they would be if you asked the questions differently.

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Circuit One baby! Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson

I read this right around 9/11 when Dubya’s approval was 90% for the sole reason we’d been attacked and he talked tough. It helped it make sense.

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